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Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

kamlesh — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 10:32:59 -0000

Thank u very much sir

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

Harmen — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 10:04:06 -0000

Please report this scam to Action Fraud (http://www.actionfraud.police....) in the UK, as it seems to originates from the UK or the equivalent police force in your country.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

crina — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:20:26 -0000

Thank you for your reply. Since yesterday I was checking , cause I felt that something is not right. And I was reading your posts and I was trying to compare it with my mail. Anyway, the biggest question for me is how to stop this scam in my country cause this fake job is posted in one of the best site for jobs and people are ready to pay (as they payed before !) money to anybody only to find a better job.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

Harmen — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 06:08:19 -0000

See my comments to Bogdan.

The language used in your message is fairly pompous and is an indication that this is a scam.

Anyway, any recruiter will want signed hard copies of a contract. A scanned version will not be acceptable. They won't give you a physical address to send signed copies to as they have no address they can use. An address makes it even easier for the police to track them down.

The real phone number for Belhaven is: 0845 6075325
Their address is:

The Belhaven Group
Spott Road
Dunbar
East Lothian
EH42 1RS
Scotland

You can check their details on the Companies House website: http://wck2.companieshouse....

(See attached screen dump)

Please report this scam to Action Fraud (http://www.actionfraud.poli...)
as the police can trace who owns the phone numbers they use and shut them down. You can use the button for "Fraud or attempted Fraud"

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

crina — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 05:51:48 -0000

Hello,

I applied for a job at Belhaven brewery thru romanian site for jobs and 24 hours I received an e mail from them with an application form . Here it is : " his is to officially confirm the receipt of your job application for a possible job placement here at Belhaven Brewery. The screening and scrutiny of your Resume/CV (Curriculum Vitae) with other verification procedures have been carried out. The Human Resources Department of the Belhaven Brewery have been able to resolve the status of your application. After close examination of your Resume/CV (Curriculum Vitae) with reference to your work experience, we are considering having you as one of our staff. Attached to this e-mail is our Job Application Form. We will like to you carefully go through the forms and provide us with the answers to each of the questions stated therein to the best of your knowledge. You are required to print out forms and fill in your answers in blue or black ink after which you are required to send the scanned copy of the completed forms to us via e-mail attachment. On receipt of the completed forms, we shall provide you with more information regarding your job application.

Kindest Regards,

Belhaven Brewery Recruitment Team"

+44 702 406 1375

+44 708 646 7744

What to do now ? I am really thinking is a scam , but I really want your opinion . Thank you very much for your assitance.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

Harmen — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 05:48:01 -0000

How did you end up receiving the employment contract? Did you have a face to face interview? Did you meet someone from the brewery who asked you a lot of questions? Have you been told more about the job? I bet you have not met anyone who interviewed you. Right?

Companies in the EU will not hire someone based just on a CV that was emailed over. As employment laws are very strict and employees very difficult to fire once they're hired, companies tend to be extremely careful when it comes to hiring. It would cost them a lot of money in case they need to fire someone. They will make sure they will interview candidates, often more than once.

If you just sent your CV and they then responded by sending you a contract, you can bet it is a scam. They often make you believe you have a job waiting for you, so that you will do whatever they ask you later on, as you don't want to risk losing your newly found "job". They will tell you that you, unfortunately, you need to pay some small administrative fee, document processing fee, work permit fee, or whatever fee they can think of. They will put the pressure on you by saying that you will lose the job if you don't pay. As we've seen from other people's experience these scammers can be really pushy and nasty.

Most people they target are desperate to find a job and will do whatever it takes to land the job. Even if it means bribing someone. What a lot of people do not realise is that in the EU you do not bribe people to get a job. This is highly illegal and when found out, the person receiving the bride will be taken to court and definitively lose their job.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

bogdan — Tue, 09 Sep 2014 04:02:47 -0000

Hello,
Yesterday, I also recived an Employmen Agreement for production engineer job in Belhaven factory, but is strange because till now, they didn't ask me nothing about any acts (pasport, driving licence) or any money...what should I do...I'm thinking to continue this step until they will ask me money or copies of my documents.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

Harmen — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:44:22 -0000

This is a fake and a scam. Don't do anything else. Don't send money, copies of passports, driving licences, etc.
These people prey on innocent job seekers.

The official site for the Belhaven brewery is www.belhaven.co.uk. If you do a domain or a whois search for belhavenbrewery.com you will find that the registrant has nothing to do with the actual brewery.

You could even read Bayt as "bait"....... :-)

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

kamlesh — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 12:20:23 -0000

Dear sir
I applied a job that posted on Bayt.com as Lab supervisor & microbiologist - Belhaven Brewery UK on 24 Aug . I received application & interview form thru careers@belhavenbrewery.com and i filled the form & sent.
Today i got employment agreement letter.
So plz help me is it going good or any fake.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

kamlesh — Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:48:33 -0000

Dear sir,
I saw a job posted in Bayt.com as lab supervisor & microbiologist- Belhaven brewery UK . I applied for this job on 24 August and i received application & interview form through careers@belhavenbrewery.com on 25Aug .so i filled the form and sent to same.
Today i got employment agreement letter through same email.
Dear is it going good or any fake

Plz reply me

Re: MyEurojobs.com spam

Marko — Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:44:03 -0000

Hi everibody. I am Marko and an Estonian citizen. I received similar offer by e-mail and answered. I got labor agreement and job description from an American company, a distributor of medical equipment and starting activity in EU. I checked their web page and all was wery real. They offered position as regional manager (business controller) and have one month trial period, after that a basic contract. I am now amazed, what is fake and what is real. Do you have any comments.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

kamlesh — Wed, 27 Aug 2014 10:29:39 -0000

Dear sir,
Thank u very much for your gud guidance.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

Harmen — Wed, 27 Aug 2014 10:14:37 -0000

To get an idea how scammers work, read through the various posts on our blog. The main thing that identifies them is that they always request money for fees. European recruiters do not request money. It is illegal and highly suspect if they do ask for money. The employer normally pays any fees required.

Scammers often also ask for copies of passports, driving licences and other official documents. They use this to scam financial institutions into handing over money (in your name, as they have copies of your documents) and burden you with the mess they create.

They often use plural forms for scam websites, i.e. they copy an original site, say "bank.com" and use "banks.com" for their scam. You can often check this via whois.org, where you can see when a site was registered. If it is recent and the owners of a site have nothing in common with the original site's details, then you most likely have a scam on your hands.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

kamlesh — Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:27:38 -0000

Dear sir, how we can identify is it fake or real.plz reply me about gud procedure to confirm real or fake.
Thank u

Re: MyEurojobs.com spam

SPAMfighter — Tue, 26 Aug 2014 09:41:08 -0000

We've previously written a piece on job spam and provided some tips:

http://blog.spamfighter.com...

Re: MyEurojobs.com spam

Harmen — Sat, 23 Aug 2014 13:24:55 -0000

Hi Milena,

Could you forward the raw header to me, so we can make sure this stops?

Re: MyEurojobs.com spam

Milena — Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:03:10 -0000

I have just got an e-mail from them . I was wondering who answered me as I have sent many resumes recently. Thank you for the post!

Re: Jobs with UK work permit attached

Sandeep Saini — Thu, 21 Aug 2014 00:16:54 -0000

Hi Harmen,

I want to do hotel job in EU, i search a lot of sites but didnt get any response, can you please advise me where & how to apply for a realistic job. please send me detail on my mail sandeep_saini29@rediffmail.com

Re: Jobs with UK work permit attached

Harmen — Sun, 17 Aug 2014 04:02:39 -0000

Hi John,

Wij zijn geen uitzendbureau, maar een job board. Je kunt dat vergelijken met de advertentiesectie van een krant. Wij plaatsen geen mensen in banen.

Je hebt keuze te over als je ergens anders dan in Nederland wilt werken. Er werken alleen al meer dan 30.000 Nederlanders in Londen en het zijn er veel meer als je kijkt naar het hele VK. Hetzelfde geldt voor Duitsland en andere landen. De keus die de werkgever in andere landen (en in Nederland) moet maken is of je geschikt bent voor de baan waar je op solliciteert. Jij kiest de baan (waar dan ook in Europa) en de werkgever kiest de kandidaat die het beste bij hun behoefte past. Door de Europese regelgeving mag een bedrijf niemand bevoordelen op basis van nationaliteit. Dus geen Nederlandse banen voor Nederlanders. Het enige dat een werkgever kan doen is eisen dat iemand vloeiend Nederlands spreekt.

Wij maken niets kapot, wij helpen mensen nieuwe banen te vinden, waar deze zich dan ook maar mogen bevinden. In het Verenigd Koninkrijk bijv. werken al meer dan 1 miljoen Oost-Europeanen en het aantal Italianen en Spanjaarden die de laatste jaren naar Duitsland zijn gekomen is ook groot. Deze mensen willen hun handen uit de mouwen steken, zijn goed opgeleid en vullen een behoefte die niet of nauwelijks door de plaatselijke bevolking ingevuld kan worden.

In Engeland was het bijna onmogelijk een goede bouwvakker, vrachtwagenchauffeur of een loodgieter te vinden. Totdat de Polen overkwamen. Men was er in eerste instantie niet blij mee, omdat ze banen van Engelsen 'afpikten'. Dat blijkt nu dus een wassen neus argument. De Polen keren nu in grote aantallen weer terug naar Polen, en wat blijkt? Je kunt weer bijna geen goede loodgieter of bouwvakker vinden. De Engelsen willen niet, kunnen niet of hebben niet de juiste ervaring.

Men heeft dus de keuze om te blijven mopperen over het feit dat de 'buitenlanders' banen inpikken of er zelf wat aan te doen. Men kan de ervaring vergroten, opleidingen volgen, talen leren en zichzelf aantrekkelijker maken voor werkgevers. En er is keuze genoeg als je over de grens kijkt en denkt. Landen staan niet meer op zichzelf. Je kunt er geen prikkeldraad omheen trekken. De Soviet Unie heeft dat ooit geprobeerd, Israel probeert dat nu en zelfs de EU probeert dat aan de zuidgrens. Dat werkt niet echt.

Doordat landen als Duitsland en Engeland snel verouderen zullen er meer dan genoeg banen zijn, zelfs als er miljoenen immigranten bij komen. En het zorgt ervoor dat andere landen zoals Italie, Spanje en Griekenland gedwongen worden hun economie op orde te maken, omdat men dan anders met minder productieve mensen achterblijft.

Re: Jobs with UK work permit attached

John Vorster — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 05:57:33 -0000

Harmen, ik zie hier dat jullie dus meehelpen om de werkeloosheid onder de Nederlanders te vergroten. Het aannemen van niet Nederlandse Europeanen in plaats van Nederlanders. Je moet je af vragen of 'wij' ook nog een keuze hebben als we ergens anders zouden willen werken dan in Nederland.
Door uitzend buro's als de jouwe maak je hier veel kapot.
John.

Re: Jobs with UK work permit attached

John D — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 04:03:51 -0000

Thank you.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

Harmen — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 16:35:47 -0000

Companies contacting you out of the blue, sending you a contract? This will almost certainly be a scam. No company in Europe will offer you a job without a proper interview and following proper procedures. The main issue is that you will need to be in one of the industries and professions earmarked by European governments as crucial to their economies, in order to even have a chance of obtaining a work permit.

Europe is now only letting in highly specialised professionals, who earn substantially more than the average European, as each European country is fighting extremely high unemployment levels.

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

zia — Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:07:17 -0000

I've called the avaible number, he just said that i need to sign the agreement

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

Bruce — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:09:39 -0000

Why would it be a mistake to forward it to trustable companies?

Re: Belhaven Brewery scam

Oemedali — Wed, 06 Aug 2014 06:19:16 -0000

Can you send me the agreement en employment documents on my mail: oemedali2012@hotmail.com i will recogdnize the documents for sure untill than i hope you want make any mistakes in forwarding to on trustable companies